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Thomas Murray

Thomas Murray, born in Northcote, Kittson county December 1882

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Latest Activity: Aug 2, 2016

Thomas Murray with family, Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada

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Minnesota Census 1900

1900 Census record attachedContinue

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Started by Marie Grant Dec 30, 2011.

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Comment by Glenn Browne on December 30, 2011 at 7:18pm

Thanks Marie for jumping right in and adding a family group in the name of your grandfather. We are still working on finding family facts. Here are a few things we are trying to check out and confirm. Donald Murray and his wife went back to Quebec to obviously meet with family members. While there his wife Isabella died. We understand he brought her back to Kittson County for burial. The records show a Donald Murray is buried at Greenwood Cemetery in the town of Hallock. I would expect his wife is buried there too. Because your grandfather was not on the 1900 census when he would have been seven, were are curious to find out where he moved to.  Did someone take him to Canada while he was quite young? What is the earliest date he appears in Canada?  An Isabella Murray married a man with the surname Grant, after her husband died.  How exactly are you related to Thomas Grant. Keep watching. More to follow.

Comment by Patricia Douglas on December 30, 2011 at 8:44pm
Interesting! Look forward to Reading more.
Comment by Gwen Hutchison on December 30, 2011 at 11:22pm

Marie, thanks for working on this.  Hopefully there will be some information to share.  I appreciate the work that the local researchers are doing.  Possibly Uncle Jim or Mom would have the answer to when Grandpa Murray went to Medicine Hat.

Comment by Marie Grant on December 31, 2011 at 12:00am

Hi Glenn,

Thomas does show up on the 1900 census - there are his parents Donald & Isabella and 3 boys Daniel, Thomas and Angus (on the 1900 census included in the discussion forum above).  Isabella would definitely have been too old to have been the mother of Angus.  I believe there were 2 (or more!) Donald Murray families in Kittson County,  quite possibly both families as listed on the Quebec census moved south together...just to confuse us... and to confuse us further, they had sons named Donald!

Thomas Murray became a steam engineer and worked for the CPR in souther Alberta in the early 1900s. He was married in Medicine Hat in 1912.

Comment by Patricia Douglas on December 31, 2011 at 12:48am
According to his marriage certificate his father was Donald Murray and his mother Isabel McIvor and he married in 1912 at the age of 29 in Medecine Hat.
According to the 1900 census there were three brothers and I agree with Marie the mother was quite old when she had them. There were always stories that he was adopted. Could they all have been adopted?
Comment by Glenn Browne on January 1, 2012 at 9:28am

I have located the elusive Thomas Murray in the 1895 Census when he was 12 years old.

He was still living with Donald Murray & Isabella.  I am continuing to search for him in the local historical books in an attempt to establish exactly who is mother and father were. The key will be finding his birth record and that search continues.

The numerous Donald Murrays confuse the issue, particularly because Thomas's suggested father was married twice with more than a dozen children at issue. More to follow.

Hope you all have a Happy New Year in 2012 and lots of success with family research.

Comment by Glenn Browne on January 1, 2012 at 11:17am

So far I am unable to find any birth record for Thomas in Kittson County Minnesota.

I have managed to locate a Thomas Murray on the 1916 Canadian Census in Medicine Hat Alberta. It shows this particular Thomas Murray was 33 which is correct for a man born in 1883. He arrived in Canada in 1902 when he was 18 or 19 years of age. He was a Presbyterian with Scotch ancestry. Since he had been in Canada for 14 years at the time of the census he was married with a wife, Heather, and a 3 year old child. Last but not least he was employed as an engineer.  There are too many facts that match with the Thomas Murray that left Kittson County that I feel this is our man. Does the name Heather match your grandmother's name?

Comment by Patricia Douglas on January 1, 2012 at 12:17pm
Yes that is correct!
Willena Heather Izene Hargrave born 22 Sept 1888 in Medicine Hat, AB
Comment by Gwen Hutchison on January 1, 2012 at 12:43pm

Pat, thanks for the information.  I had no idea that my grandmother's name was Willena as of course she was always Heather to everyone.

Comment by Glenn Browne on January 1, 2012 at 7:48pm

Thomas Murray last appears in the 1900 census in Kittson County, Minnesota. He has been found in the 1916 Medicine Hat, Alberta.  The 1916 Census records that he came to Canada in 1902. Therefore he left Minnesota prior to the next census.  Logic indicates he should be found in the 1906 Canada Census.

After some difficulty I located him as a single man living in Medicine Hat. Very few additional details are provided but he is found on line #17 and listed as a pumpman. the census taker failed to record any other details. I do not think there are any other census in Canada or the USA that will contain his name, so the census search has been exhausted.  Kittson historical family records are being searched. More to come.

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