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Thomas Murray

Thomas Murray, born in Northcote, Kittson county December 1882

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Thomas Murray with family, Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada

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Minnesota Census 1900

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Started by Marie Grant Dec 30, 2011.

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Comment by Marie Grant on January 3, 2012 at 12:47am

I have had an email from Aunt Jackie and she remembers Aunt Isabel thinking that his mother's name was Ann.

As a note of interest Grandpa's birthday was the 22 of December, Grandma's was the 22 of September and he passed away the 22 of June.

Comment by Glenn Browne on January 3, 2012 at 9:47am

Because the identity of Thomas Murry's parents have been questioned, I have paid particular attention during my research. I personally believe his father was Donald Murray,  born 1826 and his mother was Isabella, born 1833. First of all Thomas lists Donald and Isabella as his parents on his marriage licence. In other words, he said so when he was 29 years of age.

Secondly in the 1900 Kittson census Isabella was asked how many children she had had and she said 11. She also reported that only 10 were still living.

Thirdly, Thomas has appeared on the 1885, 1895 and 1900  censuses as part of the Donald (1826) family, and in the latter census he is recorded as a son.

Finding Thomas's birth certificate should finalize the matter, but in the meantime I see no reason to suggest he is other than Isabella's son. 

Comment by Glenn Browne on January 3, 2012 at 2:49pm

I spoke with Kathy Pederson (museum research) and she advised me that she had phoned the Kittson County Courthouse about a birth certificate for Thomas Murray. No record of a birth in the name of Thomas Murray was found. Since township records are listed also by date of birth I have asked Kathy to check back with the courthouse and see if another Thomas was born in December of 1883. Maybe Thomas was listed under another surname.  It is worth trying.

We are collecting more information about the Murray families and it is becoming a little confusing.  We are trying to sort out the conflicts before leading you down the wrong path.  You will receive all of the data we find, in due course. We have been searching the old newspapers on mirofilm and have an obituary for Isabella dated January 1904. It says she died on December 29th 1903 while visiting her family in Quebec. A second obituary for Donald who died at age 80, July 24, 1907 in Kittson County. The digging continues.

Comment by Marie Grant on January 3, 2012 at 3:33pm

Thank you Glenn for all of this!  The Quebec census attached shows an earlier daughter  & son born in Quebec but before 1859 - do you think they are the children of Donald's first wife?  Mary Dora Campbell? It would help explain the first daughter being named Doroty.  1871%20Quebe%20jpeg.jpg 1871%20Quebec%20Census%20pg2.pdf

Most here feel Thomas Murray was brought up by a step mother or was adopted; it is certainly a bit of a mystery.

Comment by Glenn Browne on January 4, 2012 at 11:11am

Just yesterday I learned Donald (1926) was first married to Mary Dora Campbell in Barvas Parrish, Isle of Lewis, Scotland on 17 Mar 1851. She was born in 1829 and died in 1857.

The first child was Dora Mary Murray, born 1853, died 1930.

Second child was Norman E. Murray, born 1856

Third child was Mary Jane Murray, born 1857 and died in 1947. You will note Mary Jane was born the year her mother died and I would suspect she died in childbirth,  considering she was only 28 years old at the time.

Comment by Glenn Browne on January 4, 2012 at 11:17am

Donald (1926) married his second wife, Isabella "Bella" MacIver in 1859 at the Presbyterian Church, Hampden, Compton County, Quebec in 1859.  I have a list of a dozen children that followed.  The first three children listed in the post above, Mother Mary Dora Campbell, would look at Isabella as their "Step-mother".  Perhaps this fact is where the stepmother confusion arose with regard to some of the children.

Comment by Marie Grant on January 4, 2012 at 12:04pm

3rd child Mary Jane Murray does not show up on any of the family census records. Do you think she lived with other relatives? Or perhaps also died early?

Comment by Glenn Browne on January 4, 2012 at 12:09pm

Comment by Glenn Browne on January 4, 2012 at 12:18pm

The above two newspaper articles came from the Kittson County Enterprise, located in the county seat in Hallock, Minnesota. These clippings were recovered from microfilm records stored at the Kittson County Museum.

Mr. & Mrs. Murray went back to the Province of Quebec, Canada for the Christmas holidays and to visit family that still lived there. The first clipping reports the arrival of a telegram, sent from Quebec to family members that lived near Northcote, Minnesota.

Mrs Murray Died on December 29th 1903. in Quebec, Canada. Her remains were transported back to Northcote for the funeral which was reported in he newspaper Jan. 15, 1904. She was buried in Greenwood cemetery in the town of Hallock, Minnesota.

Comment by Marie Grant on January 4, 2012 at 12:55pm

This certainly sounds like her, but she does seem older than I would have thought. Do you have a year of birth for Isabella?  I have found it very interesting in the reading I have done, how often the women's identity is totally dependant on that of the husband. How wonderful to see the old clipping!


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